NHL Trade Deadline Coverage
by Matt Ederer(NHL)
Posted on March 4, 2009, 5:05 AM
8:00 - Ederer wakes earlier than he has in about three years. My dedication to you bastards is no less than heroic.
8:15 - Chris Pronger and Tomas Kaberle are both officially off the market. Jay Bouwmeester is officially packing his bags.
8:36 - Debating Jarko Ruutu.
Colin says: Where would Jarkko Ruutu look good?
Matt says: Well, where are they missing a prick? The Habs could use one, that's for sure.
Colin says: I was going to say the Habs, but they showed they don't need or want the grit last week when they moved Begin.
Matt says: Well, that and Begin asked to be traded. Gainey pirides himself on being a player's GM. It's not like they don't *need* the grit though.
Colin says: In fact, they need it painfully.
9:10 - TSN shows the deadline deals that the last 5 Stanley Cup winners have made. Among them are some gems (Recchi to Carolina, Stuart to the Wings last season) and some not-so-gems. A player named "Neckar" went to the Lightning in 2004 during their cup run. This prompts my roommate to scream at the television: "they HIGHLIGHTED Neckar? You don't even know his first name!" I'm fairly confident Neckar's parents don't even remember.
9:20 - Debating Tim Connolly
Colin says: Tim Connolly wants between $4 and $5 million. For 3 years.
Matt says: Boy. If he's healthy, he's a point-a-game forward.
Colin says: Yes, he's a great player when he's healthy. But in the era of the cap and looking at the lessons taught to us by other teams and their heavy contracts?
Colin says: How about a Roberts deal? 2M base and then a bonus for every game over 50 played to the tune of around 8 grand a game. You play a full season, we'll give you 4.4M for it
Matt says: See that makes sense to you and I but that would shatter the infrastructure of the NHL if it were to go down. Marian Gaborik would have to change professions
Matt says: I think Connolly's best bet is to stay in Buffalo and get them into the dance, and try to steal them a round. If Buffalo hits the second round with Tim Connolly in the lineup, he gets $5 mil. Either in Buffalo or somewhere else.
Colin says: It would change the infrastructure, but it's going to have to start happening. Imagine the freedom teams would have. Bonuses only count if they're achieved, so you come up to this day next year, Minnesota has an extra 2.5M (which translates to like 11.25M) to make last day moves. That, along with absurdly conditional trades, is the wave of the future in the NHL I think.
9:30 - Debating Rental Players
Colin says: If you're in the hunt, rental players aren't beneficial and never really have been. they mess with the chemistry and basically tell the team that they couldn't have done it alone. You don't grab a Bouwmeester, you grab, well, a Recchi.
Colin says: Most teams have solid 1st lines and good looking 2nd lines. You solidify the 3rd and 4th lines. Ask Pittsburgh, who debatably would have won the cup with Armstrong and Christensen in the lineup
Matt says: Well I don't think your Pittsburgh point is the best you've made because I truly think that team was better with Hossa than with Colby and Christiansen. You're right about blockbuster deadline rentals not leading to any semblance of success in the history of anything though.
Matt says: How did Ryan Smyth's career go in Long Island? How many playoff rounds did Huet win Washington?
Colin says: It's just too little time to integrate a player into your system properly. We'll have to agree to disagree on Hossa. I thought that team had too much sizzle and not enough steak in the finals. The players on that team, the corner players that they finally made a move to reacquire in Kunitz, were all in Atlanta.
9:37 - Debating Mark Recchi
Colin says: Is this Recchi's last hurrah?
Matt says: Yup.
Colin says: I hope he wins it again then.
Matt says: I really hope so too. The man is a first ballot hall-of-famer.
Colin says: I remember playing hockey in my basement as a kid and pretending I was on a team with Mark Recchi. I mean, that was like 19 years ago.
Matt says: He would look tremendous on Chicago, wouldn't he.
Colin says: He would look outstanding in Chicago.
Matt says: It would give the biggest wild card team in the NHL they only thing they don't have. Playoff experience.
Colin says: Tampa management would like to thank Recchi for raising his stock from a 5th rounder to a 3rd rounder with his 5 assist performance this week.
Matt says: Ha, no doubt. Mikka Kipprusoff is getting a fruit basket.
9:40 - TSN reports that, a rumored deal out of Vancouver would send Mason Raymond, Kevin Bieksa, and a 1st round draft pick to the Florida Panthers for Jay Bouwmeester.
9:50 - The Bouwmesster rumor sparks the following debate:
Colin says: I would fly to Vancouver and strangle someone.
Matt says: it would be DYNAMITE for Florida. The best deal they've swung since Bertuzzi for Luongo.
Colin says: It would be killer. I'd do it without the 1st rounder. I do think Raymond is moved today though. He'll get a good return and they don't need him on the 4th line. Too good for the AHL, not good enough to be a top 6 player on that team right now
Matt says: You know what? If you're Brian Burke, go move Antropov for him. What have you got to lose? Are you gonna do better with a second round pick?
Colin says: Christ. I don't know who is going to end up with him, but someone is going to end up dancing tonight. He doesn't have an exceptional stock, but he's so full of upside. While you're at it, grab Vermette for a 3rd round pick and then go take a nap
Colin says: ...you know how I know it's not true? Because it hasn't been announced yet. If you were offered that deal, you'd be asking for the paperwork immediately. A true, hard hitting top 4 defensive defenseman and a sizzling, speedy prospect, plus a pick, for someone who has no contract? You'd have to be retarded not to accept it.
Matt says: Basically. And Bieksa, I might rank higher than just "top 4". He's top pairing on 15 teams. Huge clapper of a shot, big time hits, offensively and defensively capable.
Colin says: I didn't want to let my Bieksa bias show too hard by calling him a league wide top 2 D-Man. I watched him, Raymond, Burrows, Bourdon etc all develop with the Moose (Matt's note: Colin lives in Manitoba. Womp womp). It's one of the reasons it'd break my heart to lose him. Both of them, really.
9:52 - Filip Kuba re-ups in Ottawa, 3 yrs, $3.7 million per. It's a 0.7 million dollar raise on his current deal.
9:56 - WE HAVE OUR FIRST TRADE!
Ottawa Senators (12th in east, 16 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) trade ANTOINE VERMETTE, W to Columbus Blue Jackets (6th in west, 2 points in the playoffs, 18 games remaining) for PASCALE LECLAIRE, G + 2nd ROUND PICK
Matt says: Huge deal for both teams.
Colin says: Leclaire, if he gets healthy, will be good IF, and this is a big IF, he's a legit #1 guy and not a product of the Columbus system. Vermette is going to look really good next to Rick Nash.
Colin says: At least until Filatov is developed.
Colin says: A healthy Leclaire along with Elliott as a backup? Well done
Colin says: Who wins? Leclaire and 2nd rounder or Vermette
Matt says: I would say that they both are tremendously helped, but Ottawa wins. Listen, Pascale came into the league as a kid who was supposed to be Luongo-esque. He's got a World Junior medal. He's got a World Championship gold. He's a legit NHL goalie. People forget that last year, he WAS Steve Mason. He was a shutout machine.
Colin says: But is it a sign that Columbus knows how to draft goalies that each has had 8 shutouts a year, or is it Hitchcocks defensive system?
Matt says: Can it be both?. I'd say it's closer to the former than the latter
Matt says: Mind you, it's not like he's going to be shutting out 9 teams in Ottawa.
Colin says: Make no mistake, Leclaire is a good goalie and I think he's what Ottawa needs in net to keep them in the game. But he's not the next messiah
Matt says: Oh by no means. But ask yourself if you feel better with Leclaire, Auld, Gerber or Elliot?
Colin says: Well, yeah. No questions asked. I think he's good for that team. I don't know that he's going to bring them to the promised land. But much worse goalies have done it.
Colin says: They weren't using Vermette properly anyway.
10:08 - Dominic Moore and the Toronto Maple Leafs have officially broken contract talks off. Expect a trade. Also, Tim Connolly has left the HSBC arena during negotiations with the Sabres. A trade may be imminent there as well.
10:21 - The Montreal Canadiens have sent down Forward Kyle Chipchura, and called up Goalie Marc Denis.
THIS MEANS THAT THEY ARE DEFINITELY TRADING CAREY PRICE FOR VINCENT LECAVALIER. LES PANTALONS SONT DEDANS LE BIBLIOTHEQUE!
That's my impression of an overreacting Habs fan.
10:25 - Debating the MTL goalie situation.
Colin says: I do seriously think they will move Halak or Price today. More likely it's Halak, since Price is still the golden boy, somehow. He's soft and doesn't ever change positioning
Matt says: Because he's a future Vezina winner. I'm on the bandwagon
Matt says: I'll tell you this though. I don't believe that there is any way in hell they move either. None. Zero. Both are signed for extremely cheap for this and next season. If they do move either (which they shouldn't), do it next year. Let the situation unfold over the next 12 months.
Colin says: Agreed. I just anticipate that Halak will be the one who goes, and I don't know that his stock will ever be higher.
10:31 - Pascale Leclaire says that he's excited to be going to Ottawa. He also says that he doesn't anticipate playing again this season. You think the two are related?
10:46 - Tim Connolly resigns with Buffalo, 4.5 million dollars a season for the next 2 years. Right in my face with that one. Good deal for the Sabres if for no other reason than if he spends all his time on the doctor's table, he only hurts them for two seasons.
Colin says: I don't like it. Too much for his frailty
Colin says: You know how I feel about his durability. I'd much rather he get a lower base and incentives for playing games. The good thing is that a 2 year term means that Buffalo isn't strong-armed into mortgaging their future in him.
Matt says: I think it was an absolutely, positively, necessary sign for Buffalo. After letting so many stars walk, you have this enigma of a player who you could get absolutely burned by letting him walk. Say what you will about his frailty and it's well documented, but the man is a legit scoring threat. Legit.
Matt says: I think a team like Buffalo, who has a history of letting these guys just go elsewhere, they need to make this move. Two seasons is the perfect length.
Colin says: It's a good deal, PR wise, for Buffalo. It's a good term for Buffalo.
Matt says: and at 4.5 mil, if Connolly plays 82 games and nets 85 points, it may be a bargain.
Colin says: Yes, if Connolly either plays more than, let's say, 65 games at a PPG, or is healthy for a good playoff run, it works out
Colin says: With the cap going down, I don't know how I feel on gambling 8% of your cap space on a time bomb is all
10:57 - Debating the pace of the afternoon and Gary Roberts.
Colin says: When does the action start?
Matt says: the waiver wire clears at noon eastern
Matt says: I'd say then.
Colin says: Yeah. Then, insanity.
Colin says: Gary Roberts to the Flames?
Matt says: Gary Roberts to his fucking couch. Nobody takes him.
Colin says: :(
11:20 - More wisdom shouted at my television set, courtesy of my roommate, Bradley Frappier. On the subject of the Montreal Canadiens (of whom we are both diehard fans)
"Go trade for Jokinen. Now. Yesterday. Maybe Koivu can finally play the role he was DRAFTED for -- third line centre. I mean, yeah, he's 10th all time in Habs scoring, but he's been playing there for 42 seasons."
11:26 - Almost on cue, TSN reports that the Calgary Flames are very close to acquiring Olli Jokinen from Phoenix. Brad stands up without saying a word and begins vacuuming his room, in silence. My thoughts exactly.
11:40 - TRADE NUMERO DOS!!
Calgary Flames (3rd in west, 14 points in the playoffs, 19 games remaining) trade LAWRENCE NYCHOLAT, D + 2nd ROUND PICK + RYAN WILSON (prospect) to Colorado Avalanche (15th in west, 11 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) for JORDAN LEOPOLD, D
Colin says: WHAT THE HELL CALGARY? Where are they getting this money? Maybe Jokinen, and now Leopold. Great pickups. But my God, how are you affording this?
Colin says: They got Nycholat off waivers for nothing. I'd give up a 2nd rounder for Leopold. Depends who the prospect is, we'll need to wait for the call.
Matt says: I think Leopold and I think "underwhelming". Maybe that's just a history of picking him in pools and having it screw me mercilessly. But he's familiar with the city and the culture and the Sutter so who knows?
Colin says: I wouldn't put him on the top line. He's a second liner, and that's that. And 1.5M on the cap, UFA next year? Ok, sorry, that's pretty great. That's roughly 300K on the cap for the rest of the year? Good deal, depending on the prospect.
Colin says: Man, Calgary has a lot invested in D. Sarich might go now
Matt says: You mean Cory "how did I con Sutter in to paying me 3.6 for four years" Sarich? Good luck.
Colin says: Good call.
Colin says: Calgary is mad set if they land Joki and mayyyyyybe get a better backup. Is Clemmensen available? Lamorello says he is.
Colin says: I'm not sold on him, but the biggest factor against if Kipper goes down is whether or not they can win without him. The teams perception right now is that they can't with McElhinney. Clemmensen might inspire more confidence because of the year he's had. I think Clemmensen would be better for the Calgary Flames morale in that unfortunate situation
Matt says: Great point. Couldn't hurt I guess.
Colin says: Not for less than $0.5 million a year anyways.
Matt says: I get the feeling though that Clemmer is gonna net a big price. One that Sutter would scoff at.
Colin says: 2nd rounder? Calgary traded MTLs 2nd, so they still have theirs
Matt says: Well who knows if that's enough. I'd say so but does Lou?
Colin says: If Lam asks more, he's a crazy person
Colin says: Especially since Clemmers is a UFA
Matt says: So who wins the deal?
Colin says: Colorado.
Colin says: 2nd round pick was enough. Nycholat is a decent young defenceman and Wilson, well, I don't know a lot about him to be honest, but he's a young D-man. Even if he falls through, it's still a Colorado win. Calgary wins in their own way
Matt says: Wilson has 20 points and 56 PIM in 60 games in the AHL this year. 1987 birth year, same as Price and Crosby. I agree that the Avs won the deal. I'm way biased against Leopold though.
12:06 - CRAZY ACTION. TRADES AND WAIVERS. HERE'S A QUICK RUNDOWN:
BUFFALO SABRES trade for MICHAEL TELLQVIST, G. They trade a 4th round pick to the PHOENIX COYOTES
DALLAS STARS claim BRENDAN MORRISON, C.
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS claim MARTIN GERBER, G
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS claim ERIC REITZ, D
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS claim CRAIG ADAMS, W
Matt says: Buffalo with a big win here. They make the playoffs. They would have anyway. Does Tellqvist save their season? No. But he's capable, and certainly LEAPS AND BOUNDS moreso than Patrick Lalime.
Colin says: Agreed. And it's a great price. Tellqvist is gone from Phoenix no matter what. He doesn't have the stock to be a legit #1 yet, or to command that price. He'll hold them steady until Miller returns. It's currently the biggest win today. Which isn't saying much.
Matt says: Bang on. Agreed. All of it.
Matt says: Morrison to the Stars?
Colin says: Wonderful. I like Brendan Morrison a lot. With all the bumping up one line that Richards has created, they need a legit Center. Morrison is a great pickup, if not a minor overpayment.
Matt says: I'd call it a substantial overpayment, but they could use the offensive help with Richard's wrist injury yeah
Matt says: Does this mean Jeff Halpern gets the door?
Colin says: I think Jeff Halpern was always getting the door. He's the kind of player everyone always wants and is always willing to pay a good price for.
Matt says: Gerber to T.O.
Matt says: What does this mean for Vesa Toskala?
Colin says: Absolutely shuts it down. Toronto's playoffs hopes are deader than dead. They're not sold on Pogge and need more time from Toskala. This isn't his year, so go home, get healthy. He gets shut down immediately.
Matt says: Unfortunate too, coming off of a 50 save performance. The man clearly has found his game again.
Colin says: Risk is too high though, you have no option unless you can seduce a great UFA goalie to come on board. I'm not confident one is going to make it to the market this year.
Matt says: Do you conisder Josh Harding "great"? Because I do. But I'm a giant fanboy.
Colin says: I don't. Harding is the kind of goalie that Toskala is. Buried behind a legit #1 goalie and he looks good in relief or on random starts. A 50 start season? Toskala didn't hold up. I don't think Harding does either
Matt says: Fair. Harding is far younger though. And a proven winner at the international junior level.
Colin says: So is Jonathon Bernier, and you're not sold on his future
Matt says: No but that's because I also think Jonny Quick is a future legit #1.
12:39 - Big chip has fallen.
CALGARY FLAMES (3rd in west, 14 points in the playoffs, 19 games remaining) trade BRANDON PRUST, C + 1st ROUND PICK + MATTHEW LOMBARDI, C to PHOENIX COYOTES (14th in west, 9 points out of the playoffs, 19 games remaining) for OLLI JOKINEN, C
Colin says: So, Phoenix unloads an underachiever, gets Brandon Prust who is really impressing right now, a FIRST ROUND PICK, and to a lesser extent, Matthew Lombardi? Big, big victory for Phoenix. Calgary wins in their own way. Jokinen is a get, he'll look to be a solid #2 Center and will help out down the stretch.
Matt says: I think this is a big win for Calgary. Like, that's ALL it took to get Jokinen? You call Jokinen an underperformer, but who in the league underperforms like Matthew Lombardi? Nobody, that's who.
Colin says: When debating the win, are we looking at the price? I think Lombardi is the smallest part of this deal. Prust is going to be a good gritty forward for Phoenix.
Matt says: Prust is a goon in my estimation. Did Phoenix need another fighter? Why? Did you need more PIMS? Was Carcillo's 300 not enough?
Colin says: Prust has got good hands.
Matt says: Yeah, When he's not breaking them on Georges Laraque's face maybe.
Colin says: Phoenix can't keep their youth and Jokinen. The Salary dump itself makes this a win.
Matt says: I'd be willing to call it a mutual win. Phoenix is not winning a damn thing this season and thus Olli is not needed. Calgary did really well here though. Really well.
Colin says: They've got to keep Mueller, Hanzal, Turris, etc and more draft picks are only going to help. Phoenix wins long term, Calgary wins today. Battle, Calgary, War, Phoenix. It's going to be really hard for anyone to win the trade deadline sweepstakes like Calgary does.
Matt says: I think right now, San Jose and Detroit just got company in the "favorite in the west" category.
Colin says: If Calgary's cogs stay healthy, there is none better in the West. That is a good looking team. They may be robbing Peter to pay Paul in the end, but they are going to have a monster year if everyone stays healthy.
Matt says: Strong words my friend. Not untrue though.
Colin says: Right mix of strong players, great D, outstanding goaltender, quick youth and great, respected veterens. This team is frighteningly good looking.
Matt says: Not unlike myself.
12:50 - Smaller deal.
BOSTON BRUINS (1st in west, 22 points in the playoffs, 18 games remaining) trade PETTERI NOKILAINEN, W to ANAHEIM DUCKS (9th in west, 0 points out of the playoffs, 17 games remaining) for STEVE MONTADOR, D
Colin says: Good for both. Boston gets a defensive presence who isn't spoken about often, and won't score 20 goals, but is responsible and hard hitting. Anaheim gets another young player that has a future. No losers in this trade.
Matt says: Yup. Montador is quietly an animal. Perfectly fit into that Anaheim mold of girtty, nasty, angry D-men. Nokalinen isn't Jari Kurri, but he's going to be solid.
12:54 - Vesa Toskala is offically shut down for the year. Good call, Col.
1:25 - Rex on the prowl.
BOSTON BRUINS (1st in west, 22 points in the playoffs, 18 games remaining) trade MATT LASHOFF, D and MARTINS KARSUMS, W to TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING (13th in east, 18 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) for MARK RECCHI, W + 2010 2nd ROUND PICK
Colin says: Recchi has always been and always will be a playoff asset
Colin says: Boston will be a good fit for his style. Maybe my only concern is that he's TOO good a fit. They have a lot of young Mark Recchi's. But he brings the veteran presence, and he'd always be welcome in my locker room. Win, Boston, contingent on them not giving up more than a 3rd rounder or a minor prospect
Matt says: I know what you mean about being too good a fit. I doubt he plays any more than 3rd/4th line minutes though and he's a huge playoff presence on a team that lacks nothing but one. Great, great deal for the B's.
Colin says: There are so many veterans who are coveted because they bring that presence that aren't actually that player. Being in the league 12 years doesn't make you a leader. Recchi is THE quintessential veteran. I'm eager to find out the price, but the Bruins are monsters. Monsters.
Matt says: Just waiting to see the cost.
1:34 - The cost comes out. Boston gives up prospects MATT LASHOFF and MARTINS KARSUMS. They get Recchi, and a draft pick.
Colin says: So, Mark Recchi and a late 2nd round pick (expected) for Matt Lashoff and Martins Karsums. Major win for Tampa. He is going to be phenomenal, but he isn't a part of this machine right now. They have a lot of young players. Enough to sacrifice one for Recchi. And a decently placed 2nd round pick might be a good price for him. Boston loses based on pure worth, but Lashoff and Karsums wasn't paving their way to the Cup. Recchi will help, and they walk away with the potential for a good prospect based on their scouting. Immediate win - Boston. Tampa did well to get Lashoff though.
Matt says: the Karsums kid had 41 points in 43 AHL games. Lashoff was a first round pick in the Crosby draft.
Matt says: I think that this trade is simply a reflection of the two opposite directions the franchise is going in. Boston traded a young winger and a young defenseman, and got an old man on the wing and an old man on the backend (in Montador). Both of whom have jewlery.
Colin says: Long term - Short term, I think it's Bostons victory.
Matt says: Boston wins now, Tampa wins tomorrow.
Colin says: These are the kind of moves Tampa should have been making during the last off-season. This isn't the Sandlot. You don't mix together a ragtag team and win this year. This is a great futures move. Whoever is responsible for it needs a raise.
1:51 - Peter Forsberg is in Denver to officially announce his retirement from hockey.
Colin says: If he had played in the NHL during the same era and wasn't held down by his foot ailments, I'd say he would have made Gretzky look average
Colin says: Forsberg is an amazing talent. He has great hands, a great vision, he's a ferocious competitor. It actually depresses me that his career is more of a 'what could he have done' than anything
Matt says: 885 points in 706 regular season games. 171 points in 151 playoff games. Numerous rings, an MVP, a rookie of the year. If ever there was a first ballot hall of famer, it's this man.
Colin says: He had all the best parts of Gretzky and Lemieux in one.
Matt says: Absolutely. He could dig in the corners and be as physical as Lemieux, and the had the patience with the puck that Gretzky did. Class on the ice, class off of the ice, and probably the best player I've ever seen play.
Colin says: It's a tragedy, but he's got the success and has made 70M playing hockey. He'll retire comfortably, but I think he'll be haunted.
Matt says: well i'd be more apt to say that if he wasn't a cup champ
Colin says: I'm happy he has the biggies. Olympic Hero. Stanley Cup champion. No one deserves it more.
Matt says: but he could have been Lemieux/Gretz huge. Remember the year that he missed the season, came back in the playoffs, played three rounds, scored 27 in 20 and led it in scoring? And the man turned 35 in June.
Colin says: HA, Except this isn't true
Matt says: TSN recinds the report almost immediately after posting it. Rare womp womp moment for The Sports Network.
2:10 - Guerin to the Pengus.
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS (8th in east, 0 points in the playoffs, 17 games remaining) trade CONDITIONAL DRAFT PICK to NEW YORK ISLANDERS (15th in east, 25 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) for BILL GUERIN, W
Colin says: Conditional 5th to 3rd round pick. If Pittsburgh makes it to the playoffs, 4th rounder. If they win a round, 3rd round pick. That's a great price.
Colin says: Win, short and long term, is Pittsburgh. It's essentially a nothing trade, like the Tellqvist one. Here, take this, maybe we catch a late draft sleeper like a Nabokov. Otherwise, we don't have to pay Guerin and we solidify our claim in the draft lottery.
Matt says: Greatly beneficial swap for both squads. The only thing the Islanders should be doing right now is trying to lose and get their paws on Tavares. Shutting down DiPietro was a great start. This helps. Now they should send Okposo down to Bridgeport for conditioning and Mark Streit back to the Habs just because.
Colin says: Pittsburgh is doing the reverse of last year. They dropped all this grit for Hossa, this year, Guerin, Kunitz, these are piece players that you need.
2:15 - Bouwmeester to Canucks rumors begin to once again pick up steam, as per TSN.
Colin says: We have 45 minutes, does this happen?
Matt says: No, flat out.
Colin says: Short of a monster offer than can't be refused, I'm inclined to agree. The teams that have the assets for Bouwmeester would want a sign-and-trade and aren't in the playoffs. Playoff teams aren't going to liquidate what Florida needs back. He doesn't become a UFA, he also doesn't get moved today for less than the Bieksa/Raymond/1st rounder we cringed about earlier.
Matt says: And I don't think Vancouver is ready to pay that price. In fact, I think they'd be nuts to.
Colin says: Well, we know how I feel. There is a LOT of talk about it though. If he moves, it's going to break my heart I think.
Matt says: is there smoke where there's fire? I would be pretty shocked.
Colin says: So would I. I've seen Gretzky leave Edmonton though. Everybody has got a price.
2:45 - Strange trade.
PHILADELPHIA FLYERS (4th in east, 7 points in the playoffs, 20 games remaining) trade SCOTTY UPSHALL, W + 2nd ROUND PICK to PHOENIX COYOTES (14th in east, 9 points out of the playoffs, 19 games remaining) for DAN CARCILLO, W
Colin says: Wow wow wow. Epic win for Phoenix. Savage, unbearable win for Phoenix. Nothing else to say here. Upshall is a good young player. Maybe underachieving a bit but he is low cost. And ANOTHER draft pick. Good lord. Coyotes are killing here.
Matt says: Well, Carcillo is a tough as nails forward with offensive upside. No less an authority than Gretz himself calls him a future 20 goal man.
Matt says: I don't think it's an epic rape for PHX. But saying that, they need the youth. They need the speed. THey need the picks. They got them all.
Matt says: Philly loves them bullies. Good trade both ways.
Colin says: Philly wins because they get what kind of player they want. I think that Philly loses on this talent wise.
2:50 - BREAK UP THE LEAFS!
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS (11th in east, 9 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) trade NIK ANTROPOV, C/W to NEW YORK RANGERS (7th in east, 1 points in the playoffs, 19 games remaining) for 2nd ROUND PICK + CONDITIONAL PICK
Colin says: A nothing trade. Rangers will be happy to get him. Antropov will be happy to leave Toronto. 2nd round pick is better than nothing. I don't like him, I just don't think it's more than what was expected. Toronto got as much as they could, New York got their man. I don't think he'll turn things upside down in New York
Matt says: Antropov is slow and uninspired. Tortorella can fix one of those and hope that nature fixes the other. The Rangers needed to make a move though and this one is good. Don't forget that Antropov was a 10th pick, he's 6 foot 4 and can score 25+ goals. Good deal.
Also, here are two cents from a guest Leafs Insider, for all those bud-hungry fans in Northern Ontario. Here is Jonathan Oakes.
Jon says: Antropov being traded is a good move by the Leafs. Go get some draft picks in return, which they so desperately need, in order to rebuild. It was obvious that they weren't going to re-sign him, so kudos to receive something back. For the Rangers. they receive a solid depth player. good 2nd liner/ third liner with offensive upside up the middle.
Exactly. Burke is on record saying he's not resigning the player. He's getting shipped out.
2:58 - Morris goes.
PHOENIX COYOTES (14th in east, 9 points out of the playoffs, 19 games remaining) trade DEREK MORRIS, D to NEW YORK RANGERS (7th in east, 1 points in the playoffs, 19 games remaining) for DIMITRI KALINEN, D + PETR PRUCHA , W + NIGEL DAWES, W
Colin says: AMAZING! Phoenix wins the trade deadline. Christ almighty.
Matt says: This is hands down the biggest win of the deadline. This is Forsberg/Lindros levels of rape. This is epic. The coyotes should be tried for armed robbery. Unbelievable deal.
Colin says: Something is going on. That's just amazing. Morris is a UFA and he's been traded for 3 good bit players under contract? Today is the day that the Coyotes become a legitimate threat. They were a good team yesterday
Matt says: the coyotes are a good team alright. Next year. Soon. Not now. But they got way younger and way better.
3:05 - Moore-gasm!
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS (11th in east, 9 points out of the playoffs, 18 games remaining) trade DOMINIC MOORE, C to BUFFALO SABRES (10th in east, 3 points out of the playoffs, 19 games remaining) for 2nd ROUND PICK
Colin says: Dominic Moore is a steal for a 2nd round pick. Buffalo went from a team that I was worried wouldn't make the playoffs to a team I think will make it in. They'll sneak it in, but they're better than they were yesterday
Matt says: Moore is having a career season in a contract year. That's not gonna stop, at least over the next 18 games. Good use of your second round pick, definitely. Great deal Buffalo. Toronto keeps getting back the picks that JFJ traded for the Owen Nolans of the world.
Colin says: Burke did good today
Matt says: I want that quoted.
*** POST DEADLINE WRAP-UP ***
Winners of the day:
-- Calgary getting Jokinen is the best trade in terms of making a single team better immediately. They needed a legit, big #1 forever. Now they've got their man. They also went out and acquired a solid puck moving defenseman, who basically are like gold in this NHL. One, that, on top of his skill set, is familiar with the city and the management.
-- I would say Phoenix robbed New York. The Coyotes completely take it to the Rangers for a marginal player. Phoenix's total list is: The total list is Upshall, Prucha, Kalinen, Dawes, Lombardi, Prust, and a 1st, 2nd and 4th round pick for Jokinen, Carcillo, Tellqvist and a 3rd rounder. It's highway robbery.
Losers/Disappointments of the day:
-- Most disappointing has to go to the Habs and Caps. The big losers were the Philadelphia Flyers.
-- The Capitals were a big threat. Now, they don't get out of the East. Washington makes the same mistake for 2 years running. They have no goaltending. They don't get through Round 2. Ovechkin and Green's enthusiasm might carry them through 1, but that's it.
-- Habs, it's a bit disappointing. I don't know what they would have done outside of the big Center (who went to Calgary). I am blown away that they didn't do more. But happy that they didn't sacrifice the future for the Cup in the Centennial. Have to give them that.
-- Philadelphia did not address any concerns. They do not have a marquee goaltender. They have cap issues. I think they overpaid for Dan Carcillo. If you do the math, they've ended up on the negative side in trading today. When I see a 2nd, 6th and Scotty Upshall traded away, I'm expecting more back. I appreciate San Jose shipping Kyle McLaren though. Kind of a mercy killing there. I don't think he's the impact player that Philly needs on the blue line, but he's better than the Worcester Sharks.
-- Washington did themselves no favors today. They needed a goalie, and failing that, a defenseman who could actually play the position. Mike Green and his 67 goals are fine, but who defends? Could that team beat New Jersey, Boston, or maybe even Philly 4 out of 7 times? Not in my estimation.
-- The Canadiens are disappointing in the sense that, though they made their deadline deal last week, it still feels like they need something more. Though really, you could argue that the answers to that team's questions all have to come from within. I'm sure that's the defense that Gainey will plead.
-- I personally disagree with naming Philly as losers. I think that Philly has a damn good reason to trust Marty Biron. That reason is last April-May. I think him playing the exact same post season that he did in 2008 makes them a contender. It's now up to him to do it. Or at least choke less than Theodore does.
OF THE 10 CONTENDING EASTERN TEAMS, WHICH TWO FALL OUT OF THE RACE?
-- New York Rangers, Carolina Hurricanes. The New York Rangers didn't do enough to help their team today. They did do what they could, but there are just too many better teams in the conference.The Hurricanes miss as well. Again, not that they didn't help their team, but every other team did way more to abet their own processes. Pittsburgh got their grit back, Buffalo got some secondary scoring.
-- Carolina Hurricanes, Florida Panthers. I agree with Carolina. They miss. However, I think the Rangers adding Antropov, Avery and Morris while dumping a few 3rd liners, is going to kick-start them. They still have something very few teams in the East have - A legitimate elite goalie. NYR makes it. Florida did nothing to improve their team. The Cinderella story on that team wraps early. Florida falls out.
FINALLY, WHAT IS YOUR FINAL 4, FINALS, AND EVENTUAL CHAMP MOVING FORWARD.
-- Boston and Jersey out of the east, Calgary and Chicago out of the west. Calgary and Boston in the finals, with Calgary winning the whole thing. The Flames have no legitimate weaknesses right now. That is amazing. They can't hold onto this forever. This is their year.
-- I'm going with San Jose/Calgary in the west and Boston/Jersey in the east. It will be a Jersey/San Jose final and the Sharks finally win the cup that they've deserved for three years. You want to talk about teams that lack weakness? The Sharks are that team. They've got playoff experience now, they've got a top 3 NHL goalie, they've got 2 top 10 NHL forwards and a hungry squad.
-- We'll see if Thorton shows up for the post season. That's their weakness. He's paid for 82 games, he plays 82 games.
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